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Re: Now the Dems are Going to Question Law Professors about Impeachment
Reply #140 - Dec 10th, 2019 at 2:01pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 1:38pm:
If we applied a looser meaning of slavery to include pimping, debt bondage and other types of extra-legal but enforced servitude, that is currently happening worldwide under all manner of taxing governments.
Again, without addressing all your language mangling regarding the word "slavery", your inclusion of the word "taxing" is extraneous to what you said.

I know, you hold up all the worlds non-taxing governments, past and present, as standards we should strive for... Which one is your favorite?

Does the Communist Party of China tax the Chinese people? Was there taxation under the Communist Rulers of the Soviet Union? Does Young Kim extract taxes from his starving people? (I predict another famine in N. Korea this winter. Cry)

What do you think of Cuba's system?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Cuba

Edit: Sometime Little BM, you sound like you are "woke". Just sayin'.

https://amgreatness.com/2019/12/01/how-americas-students-need-to-get-woke/

From the article:

"It was once agreed that reading Sophocles’ Antigone was more valuable for young minds than deconstructing “The X-Men,” and that Dante’s Inferno offered students more insight than did “To Pimp a Butterfly.”  Might our 20-year-olds become less self-absorbed, and less ignorant if they knew what Shiloh, Normandy, and Iwo Jima were? Do any think that they could have survived the Oregon Trail, the Meuse–Argonne offensive, or the Schweinfurt raid?"
  

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Re: Now the Dems are Going to Question Law Professors about Impeachment
Reply #141 - Dec 10th, 2019 at 3:50pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 2:01pm:
Again, without addressing all your language mangling regarding the word "slavery", your inclusion of the word "taxing" is extraneous to what you said.

I know, you hold up all the worlds non-taxing governments, past and present, as standards we should strive for... Which one is your favorite?




I freely admit and have admitted many times that non-taxing governments have been rare and that they have always become taxing governments sooner or later (usually sooner).

It would be nice for the purposes of honest debate if you and Kaz would admit that there has never been a taxing government that did not sooner or later turn to tyranny (usually sooner).  You and he go on and on about the beauties of taxes, implying but never stating that there are existing governments providing all those benefits and remaining limited.  Yet, there is no such government and never has been. 

Perhaps there will be such a benevolent government in which the people equally choose to "tax themselves" equally, rather than taxes simply being a wealth transfer scheme.  Perhaps there will be a government whose worst impulses are curbed by the fact that they are not allowed to tax.  Perhaps one of those will not only exist, but last more than a generation.

But, neither has happened yet, and I am the only one honest enough to admit it.


  

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Re: Now the Dems are Going to Question Law Professors about Impeachment
Reply #142 - Dec 10th, 2019 at 4:35pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 3:50pm:
It would be nice for the purposes of honest debate if you and Kaz would admit that there has never been a taxing government that did not sooner or later turn to tyranny (usually sooner).
Being completely honest, taxation does not cause tyranny. Will you be honest enough to admit that?

Too much power, unlimited legislative power, combined with an unlimited power to tax, that allows tyrants to take power and tyrannize.

The plan of our Constitution was so excellent that even after being perverted by the New Deal Court and tortured by "progressive" constructions, it is still preventing us from being tyrannized.

Maybe just barely, which is why so many people have bought guns... They fear either anarchy or tyranny, and see both as a good possibility.

There, I've been honest. Your turn. Kiss
  

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Reply #143 - Dec 10th, 2019 at 8:07pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 4:35pm:
Being completely honest, taxation does not cause tyranny. Will you be honest enough to admit that?

Too much power, unlimited legislative power, combined with an unlimited power to tax, that allows tyrants to take power and tyrannize.

The plan of our Constitution was so excellent that even after being perverted by the New Deal Court and tortured by "progressive" constructions, it is still preventing us from being tyrannized.

Maybe just barely, which is why so many people have bought guns... They fear either anarchy or tyranny, and see both as a good possibility.

There, I've been honest. Your turn. Kiss


Oooh, you got him now, Jeff!  All you gotta do to finish him off is go ahead and tell him some examples of the places where they have had taxation for a long time and they never turned to tyranny, not sooner, not later.

Just rattle off about three or four, don't be obnoxious and list dozens of examples, no need to humiliate the big guy.

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Oh, wait . . . I just noticed this part:

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it is still preventing us from being tyrannized.


You think we are not being tyrannized in the U.S. now?

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Re: Now the Dems are Going to Question Law Professors about Impeachment
Reply #144 - Dec 11th, 2019 at 7:42am
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Little Big Man wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 3:50pm:
It would be nice for the purposes of honest debate if you and Kaz would admit that there has never been a taxing government that did not sooner or later turn to tyranny (usually sooner)


I like how Super Libertarian Man who's a sock of a socialist talks about "honest debate."  That part was pretty funny.

My example of a libertarian government was the United States.   I've said it now ignores its limits (the Constitution) and is therefore illegitimate and I withdraw my consent.

What is it you want me to admit I haven't again?

  

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Re: Now the Dems are Going to Question Law Professors about Impeachment
Reply #145 - Dec 11th, 2019 at 7:44am
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Little Big Man wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 3:50pm:
But, neither has happened yet, and I am the only one honest enough to admit it.




You don't want to pay your bills, Momma's Little Big Man.  There's nothing "honest" about your shtick
  

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Re: Now the Dems are Going to Question Law Professors about Impeachment
Reply #146 - Dec 11th, 2019 at 7:46am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 8:07pm:
Oooh, you got him now, Jeff!  All you gotta do to finish him off is go ahead and tell him some examples of the places where they have had taxation for a long time and they never turned to tyranny


I think he's waiting for your list of countries that exist and don't tax.

You're going to have to help me with your logic.

a) Countries that tax have eventually turned to oppressive government

therefore

b) We should enter a death pact

I'm not getting how you got from a to b.  Explain please
  

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Re: Now the Dems are Going to Question Law Professors about Impeachment
Reply #147 - Dec 11th, 2019 at 8:08am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Dec 10th, 2019 at 8:07pm:
Oooh, you got him now, Jeff!  All you gotta do to finish him off is go ahead and tell him some examples of the places where they have had taxation for a long time and they never turned to tyranny, not sooner, not later.

Just rattle off about three or four, don't be obnoxious and list dozens of examples, no need to humiliate the big guy.

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Oh, wait . . . I just noticed this part:


You think we are not being tyrannized in the U.S. now?

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The point is, governments with too much power become tyrannical.

"The power to tax leads to tyranny" is  not a logical construction, it's emotional.
  

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Reply #148 - Dec 11th, 2019 at 8:09am
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kaz wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 7:42am:
My example of a libertarian government was the United States.   I've said it now ignores its limits (the Constitution)...

Quite right! Smiley
  

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Re: Now the Dems are Going to Question Law Professors about Impeachment
Reply #149 - Dec 11th, 2019 at 11:20am
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kaz wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 7:42am:
My example of a libertarian government was the United States.   I've said it now ignores its limits (the Constitution) and is therefore illegitimate and I withdraw my consent.

What is it you want me to admit I haven't again?



In the early days the constitution was followed much more closely.  For example, the clause about allowing the importation of slaves and requiring “free” states to return escaped slaves.  Those clauses were followed.

Oh wait.  That was the opposite of Libertarian.

Then we had the Civil War.  States “in rebellion” were ravaged.  But at least aftward the slaves were free.  Finally!  Libertarianism. 

Oh, wait.

The citizens of the southern states were denied their rights until they swore oaths of loyalty to the U.S., something required by only the most tyrannical of countries.  Freedom of black people were legally restricted.  Many laws against carrying firearms were passed in order for blacks to be denied their rights under the 2nd amendment.

Finally, in the thirties, there were movements to protect the civil rights of blacks.  But there were much more powerful and dedicated movements to institute socialism. 

Did I miss the time that the U.S was libertarian? 

Please provide the years in which the U.S. was libertarian.
  

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