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Re: Civil War 2.0 Should Begin In Virginia
Reply #10 - Dec 19th, 2019 at 7:24pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 7:03pm:
OK, insane. Thanks for answering.

Why?  This whole democracy thing isn't working. 

Have you heard of the Opium Wars?  During the end of the last dynasty in China, the whole country was addicted to opium.  Opium addiction was destroying China economically and morally.  Broke men going through withdrawal would bring their children to the dens to sell for just one more hit.

The Emperor made a decree that anyone in possession of opium would be sentenced to immediate death and overnight there was no longer an opium problem in China.

We need some very tough measures in California and voting isn't working. 

We need massive overnight deportation and a lot of heads to roll.

  
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Re: Civil War 2.0 Should Begin In Virginia
Reply #11 - Dec 19th, 2019 at 7:57pm
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yamcha wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 7:24pm:
Why?  This whole democracy thing isn't working. 
Of course not, that's why we have to undo all the things "progressives" have done to make our government more of a democracy and less of a republic operating on democratic principles.

The founders knew that democracy was a bad idea, that it wouldn't work, so they intentionally attempted to prevent majorities from using the government to tyrannize minorities.
  

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Reply #12 - Dec 19th, 2019 at 7:59pm
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yamcha wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 7:24pm:
Why?  This whole democracy thing isn't working. 

Have you heard of the Opium Wars?  During the end of the last dynasty in China, the whole country was addicted to opium.  Opium addiction was destroying China economically and morally.  Broke men going through withdrawal would bring their children to the dens to sell for just one more hit.

The Emperor made a decree that anyone in possession of opium would be sentenced to immediate death and overnight there was no longer an opium problem in China.

We need some very tough measures in California and voting isn't working. 

We need massive overnight deportation and a lot of heads to roll.

It sounds like you want bands of roving vigilantes randomly killing anyone they think is an illegal immigrant.

Or maybe you just want them to kill all the brown skinned people?

Edit: Voting never "works" when you have a one Party government, which is pretty much what you have in Kalifornia, right?
  

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Re: Civil War 2.0 Should Begin In Virginia
Reply #13 - Dec 19th, 2019 at 8:05pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
It sounds like you want bands of roving vigilantes randomly killing anyone they think is an illegal immigrant.

Or maybe you just want them to kill all the brown skinned people?


Deport not kill.  There are a lot of illegal yellows too that need to go.  We must be aggressive and use violence to enforce the law.  After everything gets cleaned up and only the civilized remain, we can then talk about living by the NAP.

The NAP is something that the jungle law people will use against libertarians so that means that the jungle law people need to go.

NAP is bullshit anyways.
  
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Re: Civil War 2.0 Should Begin In Virginia
Reply #14 - Dec 19th, 2019 at 8:23pm
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yamcha wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
Deport not kill.
Deport people from a sanctuary state? That involves some contradictions, doesn't it?
  

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Re: Civil War 2.0 Should Begin In Virginia
Reply #15 - Dec 19th, 2019 at 8:26pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 8:23pm:
Deport people from a sanctuary state? That involves some contradictions, doesn't it?

When you deal in contradiction, you are dealing in truth.
  
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Re: Civil War 2.0 Should Begin In Virginia
Reply #16 - Dec 20th, 2019 at 8:42am
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yamcha wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
When you deal in contradiction, you are dealing in truth.
It's quite a contradiction, that seems certain.

Better immigration laws are the best resolution of the problem. Smiley

Anyway, Kalifornia laws creating sanctuary cities for illegal immigrants don't overrule federal immigration law (which makes you happy I expect), and neither do resolutions in Virginia counties and cities overrule state (or federal) gun laws.

Of course the comparison is flawed because Congress has been granted power to regulate immigration and naturalization, but has not been granted power to regulate arms (except by SCOTUS, who sometimes have trouble understanding the meaning of "infringe").

A pertinent question is, "Can the State of Virginia deny a fundamental right of U.S. Citizens?"

The answer is no, and it illuminates a very good reason for having a federal government tasked with protecting our rights... I bet the Constitution of Virginia also contains strong protections for fundamental rights.
  

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Reply #17 - Dec 22nd, 2019 at 8:02am
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Reply #18 - Dec 22nd, 2019 at 4:12pm
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yamcha wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 7:24pm:
Have you heard of the Opium Wars?  During the end of the last dynasty in China, the whole country was addicted to opium.  Opium addiction was destroying China economically and morally.  Broke men going through withdrawal would bring their children to the dens to sell for just one more hit.

The Emperor made a decree that anyone in possession of opium would be sentenced to immediate death and overnight there was no longer an opium problem in China.

We need some very tough measures in California and voting isn't working. 


The worse it gets, the heftier the measures used must be, and the greater the violation of rights they will be.

Once there was a pacifist (as it just so happens, Opposition's cousin) who came to Earth.

Opposition told him, "You must squish that cockroach, or you will have a real problem on your hands."

His cousin Rysik did not squish the cockroach. "I will not kill," Rysik said.

"Suit yourself." Opposition told him.

Within a week there were a thousand cockroaches.

"I will not kill." said Rysik again.

Within a month there were a million.

Rysik's home was condemned and bug bombed. Millions of lives were lost.

"If you would have just squished that first cockroach like I told you to," Opposition scolded him, "only one life would have been lost. Now, because you would not kill, it was millions."

Jeff wrote on Dec 19th, 2019 at 7:57pm:
Of course not, that's why we have to undo all the things "progressives" have done to make our government more of a democracy and less of a republic operating on democratic principles.

The founders knew that democracy was a bad idea, that it wouldn't work, so they intentionally attempted to prevent majorities from using the government to tyrannize minorities.


Hitler was an elected representative. I don't think representative systems prevent majorities from exerting tyranny over minorities.

Can you give me an example of when people were allowed to vote on policy and they used it to enslave a minority?

Somehow, I don't think Californians, if allowed to vote on policy, would let the state go to shit like it is. You might not like the solution but there would be one.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Civil War 2.0 Should Begin In Virginia
Reply #19 - Dec 22nd, 2019 at 5:21pm
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 22nd, 2019 at 4:12pm:
The worse it gets, the heftier the measures used must be, and the greater the violation of rights they will be.
When what gets worse? Speak up, don't mumble, have the courage to speak your convictions. Thanks.
  

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